Thursday, June 07, 2007

The Arrogance of Power

I had an interesting conversation with a worker from Streets & Sans last night. He was sort of laughing at me for using the blue bags and my defense of recycling. It's not separated, he said. Our garbage doesn't go to one of the city's MRF's. It goes straight to the landfill. The blue bags that are collected in the 50th don't get removed beforehand.

What was insulting, as I thought about this more, is that they are just laughing at us. It costs us money, real money, to take our trash to the landfill. With recycling, the city actually makes money. Maybe not much, but when you add together what we make from recycling and the reduced costs from not having to pay to add more to the landfill, the savings could be considerable.

Chicago built three or four state of the art recycling facilities in the 1990s. Granted, we are on the edge of the city, but it sounds like it was the alderman or Ward Superintendent who made the decision not to use these facilities.

They must not care if our taxes go up. We wouldn't want to inconvenience them to actually do their jobs! Besides, Stone was probably asleep when the subject came up.

We've been misled. I'm going to blame Stone because he's our point of contact with the city. He doesn't have to be. No one asked him to. He took the blame on his shoulders all by himself. And I'm going to blame Stone because he always tells us that it's his decision (except when it makes him look bad - anybody else ever notice that?)

But I'm not going to stop recycling. Ald. Stone, who has a cushy part-time job (where you can sleep on the job!) that pays more than $100,000, may not care if our taxes go up, but I do. Stone is probably too old to care about the health and beauty of our city, but I do. There's a recycling center at 6441 N. Ravenswood. That's where I'll be taking my blue bags.

Mostly, though, I came away from this conversation amazed at the arrogance of Berny Stone and his people. They truly don't care about us. They just don't get it. They think it's THEIR ward, and that we are fools. Accountability is not a once every four years thing.

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45 Comments:

At June 07, 2007 1:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had heard this before. I think that S&S just wants you to stop putting out the blue bags. I still do, but I'm not surprised.

 
At June 07, 2007 2:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well you raise a good point. Stone and his supporters just do whatever they want and then invalidate anyone who holds them accountable.

We see it in your comments section. The Alderpawn threatening lawsuits like some Nazi Gauleiter and other Stoners advising Bernie's detractors to either shut up or move. I just wonder what it will take to really drive Stone and his Moneychangers from the Temple as it were?

 
At June 07, 2007 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon:2:03 is injecting bigotry in many ways in his /her shameful post. To create religious animosity ,the wicked poster draws a very INCORRECT Biblical analogy; to hurt Jewish people the BIGGOTTED POSTER makes an Absurd accusation referencing the Nazis.The Stone-hater that posted this is probably a male who lives in an Indian Boundary bungalow and who vowed revenge after viewing the Gibson movie. There are Cretins among us and too many live in Indian Boundary bungalows,eh Danny boy!

 
At June 07, 2007 6:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay said
but it sounds like it was the alderman or Ward Superintendent who made the decision not to use these facilities.

Again you are assuming!!

 
At June 07, 2007 7:41 PM, Blogger Jay said...

No, I am not assuming. I am trying, as I always try to do, to faithfully report the conversation that the posts come from. They may be right, they may be wrong. Like so many things written here, since it is hidden behind Stone's curtain of super secrecy, there is no way to verify it independently. But we are all witness to the blight and degradation of our neighborhood. I want to understand why. Here's another reason.

 
At June 07, 2007 8:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted # 2. I am Jewish and live in Northern Boundary. So much for the Cretean! I stand by what I wrote. The Stoner moron is behaving like the animal Alan Dershowitz who is trying to have that good man Norm Finkelstein denied tenure at DePaul!

 
At June 07, 2007 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now #2 ,if you are who and what you say you are ,answered the question-- you're a defender and soul mate of Norman Finkelstein! You support an ANTI-SEMITE who happens to have been born Jewish and who uses his Jewish name as a weapon against his own people.This also explains your ANTI-SEMITISM which is that of the FAR LEFT.People like you anon#2 are the best friends of those who mean harm to this country and our allies. Your presence doesn't just blight this community,you blight this nation!

 
At June 08, 2007 7:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anti-Semite does not mean anti-Jewish.
Do a little bit of research on it before you spout about Finkelstein!
Also, 10:16, what IS the question?

 
At June 08, 2007 9:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So JS what is the S and S worker Job title which ward do they work in? I am sure a Motor Truck Driver who works out of the 38 Wad know what goes o in the 50th ward just like an Equipment Disatcher who work out of City Hall know what goes on in the 50 Ward or the Administratative Assistant works in the 12 Ward know what goes on in the 50th Ward. Get the picture.

 
At June 08, 2007 10:13 AM, Blogger Jay said...

The person I talked to works in the 50th Ward. As is the policy of this blog, I obviously won't give you any identifying information as it could be used for purposes of retaliation by the alderman or his sycophants. When the alderman and his organization stop retaliating against people just because they think differently, then the policy of this blog will be changed. I'm not holding my breathe.

 
At June 08, 2007 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is #2-I'm sure the people I attend synagogue with daily, some of whom supported Dolar like myself, and my colleagues in the two suburban religious schools I teach at will chuckle at the thought that they were in the presence of an anti-Semite. This is very hurtful especially since on occasion I've encountered anti-Jewish comments in the Inner City health care facility where I'm employed. It shows how low Bernard Stone and his supporters will go. As for Finkelstein, he has made some thoughtful observations about the Arab-Israeli conflict that doesn't render him an anti-Semite nor deserving of the wretched treatment he has received at the hands of Alan Dershowitz.

As for these repetitive "Left vrs Right"; they really have no place here. The neo-cons have nothing to brag about. They have plunged this country into an unjust war in Iraq, ruined healthcare, allowed fuel prices to rise to intolerable levels, and offer filling our country with illegals as their version of immigration reform. Henry Wallace, the best President America never had, would never have equaled their record in incompetence. So Stoners before turning this Bloc into the West Ridge Frontpage consider the damage you have brought to our nation and our community by your sick ideology.

 
At June 08, 2007 5:38 PM, Blogger Jay said...

Hear! Hear!

 
At June 09, 2007 1:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

#2 ,you are an Anti-Semite and if the TRUTH HURTS,you have only yourself to blame.Israel didn't make you an ANTI-SEMITE(unless her very existence troubles, you which seems obvious)and the Alderman didn't make you an Anti-Semite ,either.You're a despicible Left-Wing Radical who is trying to claim a false religiousness to aid your own Anti-Semitism and SELF-LOATHING.You ,#2 are a disgrace to every community you exist in.Oh,and De Paul did right in not granting your hero tenure!

 
At June 09, 2007 10:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can only state that the last post was extremely hateful and hurtful. It is disgusting to have in our neighborhood such an evil person who would castigate as "anti-Semitic" someone who simply disagrees with him. I'm a honorable member of my community and need make no apologies to such a poor excuse for humanity. As my late Grandmother would have said, THIS STONER SHOULD ONLY DROP DEAD!

 
At June 10, 2007 7:09 AM, Blogger Jay said...

CAPSMAN (who many of us believe is Ilana) is a little over the top. One of the reasons that it seems to be Ilana is that CAPSMAN has a pathological relationship with the alderman, and can't accept any criticism of him whatsoever. Plus the way that Ilana treats people who call the office is so similar to how CAPSMAN treats people here. Like I said, a pathological dependence.

 
At June 10, 2007 8:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

....someone very "dependant" on Ilana. Someone who needs what she can supply, no matter how twisted and immoral it may seem to others. Most likely this dependant can not make it on his own. Or her own.

 
At June 10, 2007 2:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DePaul denies tenure for controversial professor
Sun-Times, Sunday June 10, 2007

What Finkelstein -- the son of Holocaust survivors -- believes is that his people are culpable in the plight of the Palestinians.

 
At June 10, 2007 7:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the Left-Wing Finkelstein lover,he and you don't get it. it was the Palestinian Arabs who listened to the arab countries and rejected sharing the Land of Israel with the re-born Jewish State,and instead rejected(and still do) Israel's right to exist. They then listened to the Arab World further and fled ,in order to get out of the way of the invading armies of 5 Arab nations intent on the destruction of the new State of Israel. Since then(1948--49)they have continued to be unnwilling to live in peace with Israel and continue to suffer their SELF-MADE consequences

 
At June 12, 2007 10:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman G. Finkelstein official website

 
At June 12, 2007 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman Finkelstein's web site is further proof that the despicable Left-Wing Whacko is an enemy to both The United States and to our Friend and ALLY Israel. The Finkelstein defender who posted the link is certainly in bed with America's enemies and a disgrace to any community the said poster blights with his/her presence.I(f the said poster finds this reality "hurtful" than it is only realization of the painful truth.Instead of being "hurt" the poster should stop trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole by justifying and defending Finkelstein.WRONG WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG!!!!

 
At June 12, 2007 1:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon above must think this is Nazi Germany or Soviet Russiea. He or she certainly doesn't believe in America. Freedom of speech must only for those who think just like him/her (or Stone). He/she acts as if this is the Fascist Fiftieth.

 
At June 12, 2007 1:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Order Books by Norman G. Finkelstein

 
At June 12, 2007 4:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to anon1:56- FREE SPEECH is not the issue ,here. It is America, and FREE SPEECH is the LAW OF THE LAND. Finkelstein's or your right to say what you want is beyond question,as are other's right to tell you and Finkelstein how they feel about the issues and you and he personally for the stands you take. Your problem is that you forget that actions have reactions, and here ,you dragged this issue into the unending slander/lie campaign against Ald.Stone which is as HATE-FILLED and BIGGOTTED as you Cretins can make it;but of course what else could be expected of Finkelstein supporters. Its a great day for America when a major University FINALLY says NO to a Left-Wing Radical attempting to "revise" history.

 
At June 12, 2007 6:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure the Alderpawn will be happy to know that over 700 DePaul students have signed a petition urging their administration to rethink its denial of tenure for Finkelstein. Now that's a great day for America. I'm no disgrace, the alderpawn is but is so wonderful to see folks coming down on this totalitarian, who can't even spell!

 
At June 12, 2007 10:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon6:18-what you are is beyond a disgrace! You obviously have lost your way. Finkelstein deserves what he got--no tenure.Your defense of this whacked out Lunatic who has no place imparting lies on innocent students makes you his Fellow Traveller,therefore you too must be are an Anti-Semitic Lefty Whacko and a CURSE upon the community!!!

 
At June 13, 2007 5:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the Alderpawn is over the top. Jay, give him 1 last warning. He doesn't stop castigating as "Anti-Semitic" and "disgraceful" anyone who disagrees with him, please ban this STALINIST from this Blog. I've had enough of his narrow minded insults and find him a DISGRACE to our otherwise wonderful community.

 
At June 13, 2007 7:52 AM, Blogger Jay said...

I agree. The use of the term in the absence of actual anti-Semitism, by this poster will now be considered repetitive and rejected. I honestly don't believe that this poster knows what the term means. The fact that they will so callously throw it at Jews is worrisome, to say the least. I think that is an indication of self-loathing, myself. But you just get the feeling they don't like Jews, and that bothers me.

 
At June 13, 2007 9:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Norman Finkelstein on WBEZ's Eight Forty-Eight

 
At June 13, 2007 10:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, exposing bigotry is "repetitive"and falsely accused of being bigotry ,itself. What twisted logic Why are you pandering to the repetitive Finkelstein Defender who just can't handle being told the truth..?

 
At June 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Blogger Jay said...

The only one who seems to be bigoted is you. Let's presume that you actually had an argument. I would think you would be able to express it without maligning those who read and write here. You seem unable to say much without resorting to an unsupported charge. If you have proof that one of our readers is anti-Semitic, expose it. Otherwise, it is repetitive.

 
At June 13, 2007 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Responding to Palestinian Terrorism,"
Alan M. Dershowitz,
originally published in The Jerusalem Post
March 11, 2002

Israel ... will announce with precision exactly what it will do in response to the next act of terrorism -- for example, the destruction of a small village which has been used as a base for terrorist operations. The residents would be given 24 hours to leave and then Israeli troops will come in and bulldoze the buildings. The order will already have been given in advance of the terrorist attacks and there will be no discretion. The point is to make the automatic destruction of the village the fault of the Palestinian terrorists who had advance warnings of the specific consequences of their action. The Israeli soldiers would be acting as automatons for carrying out a previously announced policy of retaliation against a designated target. Further acts of terrorism would trigger further destruction of specifically named locations. The "waiting list" targets would be made public and circulated throughout the Palestinian controlled areas.

 
At June 13, 2007 11:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is exposing a bigot, "maligning"?The Finkelstein Defender can stop this, by stopping the repitive posting in an attempt to get one-upsmanship,or you can stop it by stopping him/her-therefore there would be no need to further expose him/her.The poster in Question started this whole thing by dragging Finkelstein into this, and continues ,however is so "sensitive" ,that being told the truth is "hurtful".They shouldn't have it both ways and you shouldn't allow your Animosities to cloud you on this issue which has no place here.

 
At June 13, 2007 11:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman G. Finkelstein Solidarity Campaign

Scholars for Intellectual Freedom in Support of Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein

" ... overriding of faculty assessments, using malleable and subjective criteria, is a clear violation of the principle of intellectual freedom that is a hallmark of higher education."

 
At June 13, 2007 2:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Google Marcy Newman and Matthew Abraham and see who sponsors the pro-finkelstein whose link you published.As can readily be seen from Newman's own Home Page she is a Boise State Professor who spent time in Hezbollah -dominated Lebanon and who BANNERS her site as "pro-Palestinian". Abraham is a professor at the University of Tennessee who is a leader in the Pro Terrorist Academic gang .Finkelstein is a major BAD ACTOR among this pack and getting into bed with him and linking THEIR site,is getting into bed with them. If anybody finds this truth hurtful,w--e--l--l-,there is an old saying ,"lay down in a sick bed ,you wake up sick".

 
At June 13, 2007 3:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Google ... and see

what's the matter?

don't know how to post a link?

 
At June 13, 2007 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why an Economic Boycott of Israel is Justified

" ... Israel has committed a broad range of human rights violations, many rising to the level of war crimes and crimes against humanity."

 
At June 13, 2007 3:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

JAY,what you are doing by posting these Revisionist Anti-israel links,is to join the Anti-Israel Cyber War. You too,are taking part in the Anti-Israel/Anti-Jewish campaign by allowing this supposedly Local Topic site to become a tool of these CYBER-JIHADIS!

 
At June 13, 2007 5:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dershowitz v. Finkelstein:
Who's Right and Who's Wrong?


Answering that question ought to be relatively straightforward, and it is high time that someone other than Finkelstein or Dershowitz tried to do it publicly.

 
At June 13, 2007 7:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok,Dershowitz is right and Finkelstein is as wrong as wrong can be;and you,Jay are obviously on the side of TRUE WRONG or you wouldn't keep putting up the pro-Finkelstein links.Why? Unless of course,you are the anonomous Finkelstein defender.That certainly is beginning to seem possible.In any event, there is no doubt that you're enjoying this detour .Sure beats doing necessary, mundane things around the house for you,I'm sure .

 
At June 13, 2007 7:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay- Thank you for taking on the Alderpawn who would otherwise attempt to silence discussion in this Blog, by his reprehensible charges.

Yasher Koach to you!

 
At June 13, 2007 10:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Telling the truth is not "Stifling Free Speech"!Here is another TRUTH- if the Finkelstein defender is really a Jew,than they should mull over this word---RODIF!

 
At June 14, 2007 7:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

did you ever notice that when you are a complete asshole online, doing nothing but insulting people, that whenever you take a position, other people can't help but gravitate to the other side?

keep it up, West Rogers Park will be a hot bed of Palestinian sympathy!

 
At June 14, 2007 9:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kill Arabs, Cry Anti-Semitism

... whenever Israel faces a public relations debacle its apologists sound the alarm that a "new anti-Semitism" is upon us. ...

The report defines an anti-Semitic incident as any occasion "perceived" to be anti-Semitic by the "Jewish community." ...

The report includes under the rubric of anti-Semitic incidents not just violent acts and incendiary speech but "conversations, discussions, or pronouncements made in public or private, which cross the line of acceptability," as well as "the mood and tone when Jews are discussed."

 
At June 14, 2007 2:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so,we keep going-OPPOSING the warped views of Finkelstein and his Agenda-Driven Anti-Israel/Anti-Jewish defenders is also FREEEDOM OF SPEECH .This issue has nothing to do with the 50th ward except that it has been drawn into the Hate-Stone PERMANENT CAMPAIGN.Why? To be able to set up FALSE CHARGES regarding Freedom of Speech,perhaps?To assist in an attempt to create more division,maybe?To set up the PRO-ISRAEL community for baseless LEFT-WING Charges,also possible.

 
At June 14, 2007 3:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This issue has EVERYTHING to do with the 50th

dissent = Antisemitism

criticism of Stone = racism

 

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