Five (now seven) Brewer Supporters...
I've "talked" to five supporters of Greg Brewer's. I asked them how they voted.
* Two said they voted for Naisy Dolar (one said she held her nose).
* Two admitted that they did not vote. One claimed to have forgotten.
* One friend wouldn't tell me. You know who you are. I suspect he voted for Stone.
* Three of the five agreed they were glad the election was over.
By no means is this a scientific sample. But it is an interesting observation. I believe this is what was predicted by the SEIU poll. What do you think?
UPDATE: Make that four votes for Dolar.
Labels: 50th Ward, Alderman, Bernard Stone, Election
posted by Jay @ 3:15 PM
31 comments
31 Comments:
The one who voted for Stone knew he was voting for a winner!!!
It was all the people that were listing thing on this blog that were negative that stopped me from voting for Naisy. Hugh, Willow, Hank and the rest. Where was any positive?? I think this was a NASTY campaign and from what I have read some of this seemed personal, especially this willow person. Naisy lost because of some her supporters, thats what I heard turned people off.
I disagree. Naisy lost because too many people in the 50th ward gave into a spirit of fear and would not embrace the promise of a better future we'd all be enjoying had she won! No worry. The Progressive forces will triumph eventually. The Moneychangers will yet be driven from the Temple as it were!
Naisy was just a really bad candidate. She has to be one of the most annoying people that I've ever met and voters felt that way about her, too. That weird, exagerated head roll thing she does when she shouts out her overly enunciated words just makes me want to throw up. Like nails on a blackboard.
She is shrill. I don't know any other way to say it. I voted for her, but I won't say I'm unhappy she lost. We had two awful choices. I don't want either one of them.
I do agree that Naisy does not come across as the sharpest knife in the drawer at times. Plus, the no-show at the fake-debate definitely hurt her. Its very hard to beat incumbents—even with lots of money. Plus, your average joe voter just doesn't follow these types of races very closely.
If she runs again, I would focus in on a better stump speech & work on being able to ad-lib at least a little bit when needed.
4 out of 5 dennist recomment crest tooth past and 2 out of 3 moms prefer Jiffy Peanut Butter and 53.5% or registered votes in 5oth Ward who voted prefer Stone versus Dolar.
Daisy had the Union and all the other backing that didn’t help a helpless candidate. Also there were plenty of votes cast. Daisy
Needs to do a lot of homework. She made promises that I believe she never would have to been able to keep. 6th grade in Decatur. There is no room to build there. How would you make that promise??
I hope those Brewer supporters are happy with what they got: at least 2 more years of Berny and very likey 2 years of Ilana.
Getting rid of someone with the institutional backing of Stone is very difficult. I figure that if Dolar won and didn't do a good job, it would be relatively easy to unseat her in 4 years (making it more likely that she would bend over backward to do the job well). Instead, in 2011 progressives will once again have to take on a machine candidate with a formidable operation.
Again I say, I hope those former Brewer supporters are happy with themselves.
No room for a 7th & 8 th Grade at Decatur sorry. thats the promise she made...
Jay, you should look at the election results before drawing conclusions from talking to five people. Naisy's campaign did a remarkable job of retaining the opposition vote, losing only 106 votes from February. Stone, however, did an even more remarkable job of increasing voter turnout to his benefit. Voter turnout was up by 800 and it looks like all 800 voted for Stone. Stone's vote totals increased in 39 out of 45 precincts. In many precincts the difference was just one or two votes, but in 40, a heavily Jewish precinct, Stone received an additional 56 votes--as many as half of them during early voting.
So that's what they can do when the pressure is on. But that's all they can do. They squeezed out every last vote. If Stone lives long enough to run again, and you want to beat him, here's your vote target: 5966.
Well said, p.t. baer.
I never heard about the promise for more classrooms at Decatur. HOW ABOUT MORE ATTENTION SPENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS SUCH AS BOONE AND ARMSTRONG!!!!! Decatur is doing just fine. This makes me doubly glad I did NOT vote for her.
Next time get a better candidate. She makes a good appearance and is high energy but SAYS NOTHING--plus she has sharp claws that shock you because you don't see them coming.
Plus, most of the Decatur kids just go to the junior high at WYHS or to Lincoln. They are NOT the ones that need the alderman's attention.
Jim in Chicago said...
I hope those Brewer supporters are happy with what they got: at least 2 more years of Berny and very likey 2 years of Ilana.
Ilana willnot be appointed, this rumor has been around since 1995 and I am sure be around in 2011.
anon3:3:58 looks like Rockafield in disguise. The last sentence is the givaway.Sounds like that religious BIGOT'S Mel Gibson MOVIE REVIEW.
Who would like to hold that debate now????
5200 voters didn't find Naisy annoying at all. 661 fewer than Stone. I find it interesting that Stone is such an ungracious winner and doesn't see the writing on the wall that he didn't win by that much. I find Stone and his assorted thugs as more than annoying - they do not believe in the democratic process. Anyone who disagrees with them is a communist or a facist or anit-American. This is no different than the Bush administration. Of course Stone was a Republican at one time. People tend to forget thatn. All those on Stone's payroll do very little for the ward and get paid to do it. 5200 people and probably more are tired of it. There will be more next time.
what is this fascination with trying to figure out who is posting anonymously? people are probably wrong half the time.
Re firing Ilana. I doubt it. He should have never hired her but you can't fire your daughter. Plus--I did read an interesting article that Hugh posted talking about alderman hiring their families. The main point is loyalty and watching their backs.
Dolar supported a new school for Boone and Clinton. Supposedly so does Stone but it has taken years to get him to agree to it and nothing has been built yet. So why support Stone on that issue? Do your homework and you will find that there is no new library at Boone. The MPR is over 10 years old and there is no new school. Stone takes credit for all but has done nothing for Boone! How do you keep on bragging about a library that doesn't exist?
I don't care who is alderman to a certain point as long as we get a new school. How many more kids must graduate from Boone and Clinton before a new school is built? Stone has been alderman and Dolar hasn't. Put the responsibility where it belongs - on Stone - for this lack of a new school - not on the other candidate.
"I find Stone and his assorted thugs as more than annoying - they do not believe in the democratic process. Anyone who disagrees with them is a communist or a facist or anit-American."
This is why you won't win. You have to win over those 5000 votes for Stone, not alienate them. Certainly, 52% of the ward is not as you characterize them.
"This is why you won't win. You have to win over those 5000 votes for Stone, not alienate them. Certainly, 52% of the ward is not as you characterize them."
Ever win? Come on! Things change and more and different people move into the ward. This is the closest election that Stone has had in years, if ever. Has he ever been in a run-off? Not in the many years I have lived here. Things don't stay the same. They haven't for Stone and his cronies no matter how much they wish it to be so. It would behoove them to reach out and find out why so many voted for another candidate instead of dismissing them. However, Stone doesn't have a vision or a plan and so, in the end, he and his ilk will loose. The numbers are going to go against him. You don't want to admit it but they will. 5200 people are not going to go away whether you like it or not. They will grow and you will go!
THANK THE GOOD LORD THAT SANITY STILL PREVAILS IN THE 50TH WARD. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SETBACK TO WHAT IS GOOD AND DECENT ABOUT THIS COUNTRY IF THE HATE-FILLED AND ETHNIC/RACIAL CRUSADE HAD SUCEEDED AGAINST A GREAT MAN AND GREAT AMERICAN. STONE PROVED THAT THE AMERICAN MELTING POT IS ALIVE AND WELL AS HIS CAMPAIGN AND VOTERS CAME FROM ALL THE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES THAT MAKE THE 50TH WARD THE LIVING MODEL OF AMERICA AT ITS FINEST.BELIEVE ME,THERE IS NO BERLIN WALL HOLDING ANYBODY HERE,THEREFORE, THOSE WHO LIVE HERE DO SO BY CHOICE. THEIR AGENDA DRIVEN CARPING AGAINST STONE WAS REPUDIATED BY THE MAJORITY,SO LETS ALL GET ALONG AND START OVER;STARTING OVER TAKES EVERYBODY THOUGH AND THAT MEANS --STOP BASHING STONE AND HIS FAMILY! HE WON!!!!!!!!
don't care who is alderman to a certain point as long as we get a new school. How many more kids must graduate from Boone and Clinton before a new school is built? Stone has been alderman and Dolar hasn't. Put the responsibility where it belongs - on Stone - for this lack of a new school - not on the other candidate.
April 19, 2007 11:02 AM
You have not done your homework. Alderman Stone has secured funding for the school through the TIFF, His opponent did not do that.
Anonymous said...
"I find Stone and his assorted thugs as more than annoying - they do not believe in the democratic process. Anyone who disagrees with them is a communist or a facist or anit-American."
This is why you won't win. You have to win over those 5000 votes for Stone, not alienate them. Certainly, 52% of the ward is not as you characterize them.
April 19, 2007 11:31 AM
As one of Alderman Stone Captains I am tired of being called a Thug. If I am a Thug then Naisy Dolar was the best canidate yeah right.
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4 MORE YEARS !!!!
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Get over it. All you have done is complained but never admited what has been done in the ward. OPEN your eyes and look at the new street lights, curbs, streets, sewrs, etc. you must be locked in a cellar....
I know about the TIF but where's the school? I's been a decade since we've needed a new school. That's my point. Please read. Take a walk to Whipple and North Shore. I'll be happy when and if there's a ground breaking
THE HATE-FILLED AND ETHNIC/RACIAL CRUSADE AND THEIR AGENDA DRIVEN CARPING AGAINST STONE WAS REPUDIATED BY THE MAJORITY. THERE IS NO BERLIN WALL HOLDING ANYBODY HERE,THEREFORE, THOSE WHO LIVE HERE DO SO BY CHOICE. STONE IS OUR ALDERMAN, THIS IS OUR WARD. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO REPRESENTATION, SO DO YOU, BUT NOT HERE! GO TO CHINATOWN AND GET YOUR OWN ALDERMAN!
If you knew how politics works you would understand why the school in not built yet. You have to secure the land get the money put out contractor bid etc. This takes years.
I just got a project completed, which was designed 4 years ago. Now that’s its complete
We find things that should have been changed due to the fact that the drawings are 4 years old. I am sure you wont see the school within the next year. If Dolar had won she would have taken the credit for all the work that went into securing the land, funds etc for the school when it’s built. Be patient. Stone has the land&funds secured and he is working on the new school.
Be parient? We have been very patient! Stone didn't want the school at first - he thought we should accept an addition and shut up about it.
We're not fools here. We know it takes money and time. Thousands of kids from Boone and Clinton have had to suffer from overcrowded schools for at least a decade and you ask for patience! We had to campaign for the new school, hold rallies, go countless hearings, presnt petitions and you ask patience? We had to convince the alderman about the need for a new school before he took it as his idea. How many more kids have to graduate from Boone and Clinton before it gets built? If Dolar claimed it as her idea she would be getting an earful too. But she's not alderamn - he is and has been for 34 years. And at least 10 years of it have been with three (Armstrong too) overcrowded schools in his ward. Be patient!
Well I guess bringing kids from other areas to our schools dont help the overcrowding either. These kids dont all live in our ward>>>>
In my neighborhood (Peterson Park), ND was never an option. Some people like me had to decide between Brewer and Stone in February, but I don't know anyone who voted for Naisy. She was never an option.
I don't think you can beat Stone with a candidate who's afraid to debate him. You have to stand up to Stone to win over the voters he intimidates. You just have to. When Naisy had that opportunity, she refused. We need a candidate who won't pass up that opportunity, even if it is not to their advantage.
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