Thursday, June 14, 2007

DePaul, Finkelstein, Israel, Free Speech and Academic Freedom

A spirited debate has broken out in a separate thread. Given the interest in the subject, I thought I'd front page this. This may be of little interest to many of us in the 50th, but for many Jews and those who have connections with DePaul or academia or even just a general interest in Free Speech, this seems to be what people are talking about.

I've been criticized for allowing people to defend Norm Finkelstein here. Yes, I believe in Free Speech. That's a central tenet of America. But given the kind of repressive nature of political debate in the 50th Ward, what is more important is to increase awareness that we are not monolithic in thought here. It seems to me that this is a highly polarized ward, largely due to the divisive leadership of Ald. Stone. While other wards have increased community input dramatically, we have to fight with the alderman for every nugget of information, every bit of participation in our local government.

Stone's tenure in the 50th has devolved into almost a Stalinist-era dictatorship. Free speech is not only discouraged, it is actively attacked. We have witnessed that here. Often. So I am not inclined to curtail comments about Finkelstein.

A rabbi, a teacher, once told me one of the great lessons from the Holocaust was that we have to speak out early, speak out strongly, in the face of evil. While I might not agree with everything that Finkelstein says or writes, I certainly believe in his right to say it, even if he's wrong. I'd rather have the debate out in the open than in private, where lies fester and can destroy the consciences of good people.

Another underlying theme in this debate is Israel. Israel exists in a very dangerous neighborhood. I have learned over the years that American Jews and Israelis see things very differently. I've been to Israel and continue to have good friends there. One of them I met while he still lived on the kibbutz. His military commitment having turned into a career, he would laugh at the debate over Finkelstein. We regularly have conversations about the tough issues facing Israel: the two-state solution, the challenge of "occupation" (his term), his perception that American Jews are far too conservative and paint Israel into a corner in the pursuit of a permanent peace. He argues that Jews in America not only don't understand Palestinians, they don't understand Israelis either. "We don't have the same (national) interests," he likes to say.

Another friend of mine in Israel is not a native Israeli. She immigrated to Israel from Romania when she was a young girl. Her family were economic refugees, and they came to Israel because they could. She just started college, having completed her military commitment. She finds the debate over Finkelstein silly. "We don't ned talking," she writes, "Israel needs hope....this problem solved."

My friends in Israel are disappointed in America because we have done nothing to advance the cause of peace there in the last few years. When I try to explain to them that we cannot help them because we aren't seen as an honest broker, they interpret that as a lack of will. To me, the debate between Dershowitz and Finkelstein is meaningless. They talk in terms of black and white while people are held hostage.

I don't completely dismiss the views of Finkelstein. I don't disagree with his thesis that a Holocaust Industry exists. So? He argues that this perpetuates the Holocaust. I don't agree. I think the Holocaust is more central to the thoughts of older Jews than younger Jews. It traumatized Jews who lived through it, and challenged the moral integrity of those who followed. But people my age (and younger) seem to have normalized this, recognizing that man's inhumanity to man has a very long history. The question that is relevant to me is: will we stand up to inhumanity when we see it? This is relevant not only to our neighborhood, but to the debate over Norman Finkelstein, Darfur, etc. It's easy to talk about this from afar, which is all that Finkelstein and Dershowitz do. But it doesn't solve anything.

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57 Comments:

At June 14, 2007 2:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This whole discussion is a SET-UP designed to continue bashing Stone and his supporters.It has nothing to do with the 50th ward .It also has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech;it doesn't involve anyone attempting to stop Free Speech.Why,the question is, do you,Jay S,have to allow such Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish posts on your "MODERATED" forum?You have the Freedom and Right to NOT help Finkelstein,but YOU have CHOSEN the other way,including the posting of pro-Finkelstein links.

 
At June 14, 2007 3:37 PM, Blogger Jay said...

I'd be depressed if Israel or Jewry could not withstand a free exchange of ideas. I completely reject that argument. I agree that this has very little to do with the 50th Ward, but people (especially you) seem to want to talk about it. I don't have to allow anything, I suppose, but I do allow people to express their opinions here, as long as they follow the guidelines that I've set out. That seems reasonable to me.

 
At June 14, 2007 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why,the question is, do you,Jay S,have to allow such Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish posts on your "MODERATED" forum?

at least they are not calling anyone racist or cretin or anti-semites or hater or blights or traitors or despicable or bigots or whacked out or lunatics or jihadists

 
At June 14, 2007 3:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay-

Bravo & Yasher Koach!

You have said everything about both Finkelstein and the Arab-Israeli conflict that I firmly believe in.

It is not however, Bernard Stone that is entirely responsible for the Stalinism that is rampant in the 50th Ward. That is a cultural artifact of the American Jewish Community today, something your post touched on.

I'm grateful to you in your defense of free speech and your commitment to making this Blog a place where all responsible views can be aired freely!

Keep up the good work!

 
At June 14, 2007 4:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you stopped pro-Finkelstein postings,there would be no need to respond-but since you feel that you must post them,than YES,there is a need to respond!

 
At June 14, 2007 5:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

try to do ONE post without calling anyone names

see if you can do it

the 1st time will be the hardest, but it will get easier

by practicing it you might even develop some genuine respect for your neighbors, in spite of yourself

 
At June 14, 2007 11:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I DON'T want to talk about IT!,but I'm not going to let the Anti-Israel/Anti-Jewish Finkelstein supporters have the only say. As far as name calling,they who live in Glass Houses shouldn't throw rocks. Think for one minute how disgusting it is, to see the Truly Rightous cause of Israel and the nightmare of the Holocaust both be denigrated by a phony Left-Wing bigot and his defenders;also ,to use this issue to attack Stone and his supporters is far over all lines. So,if the truth hurts,stop defending WRONG!One last point:DECENT NEIGHBORS ARE TO BE RESPECTED,not bigotted CRETINS!!!

 
At June 15, 2007 7:38 AM, Blogger Jay said...

We got it. Anybody who doesn't think like you, who doesn't hate the same people you hate, or who doesn't spout the same vile that you do, is a "bigot" or a "cretin." You're the decider.

To the point, I have no idea - none - why you dislike Finkelstein or his ideas. I only know that you have a knee-jerk response when his name is brought up. Strangely, you have the same response to Stone. There must be a Stone-Finkelstein axis!

 
At June 15, 2007 8:24 AM, Anonymous Don't Just Stand There said...

Alito Calls Free-Speech Limits Dangerous' as Court Considers Cases

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 14, 2007; A25

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. made it clear as he began taking questions at yesterday's National Italian American Foundation luncheon that he couldn't reveal any of the Supreme Court's forthcoming opinions.

But did he at least give a hint?

Two of the court's biggest remaining cases focus on the First Amendment, and while Alito didn't mention either, he did make it clear that any restrictions on speech face a high hurdle with him.

"I'm a very strong believer in the First Amendment and the right of people to speak and to write," Alito said in response to a question of "where's the line" on what can be posted on the Internet. "I would be reluctant to support restrictions on what people could say."

 
At June 15, 2007 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would wish first of all when the Alderpawn calls me, as he has done numerous times, a bigoted Cretan, Rodif, anti-Semite, etc that he would at least use correct spelling.

Secondly, as a long time supporter of Israel's Religious Peace Movement Oz VeShalom, I coordinated OVS Director Yehezkel Landau's 1984 Chicago tour, I'd like to state that one can be very pro-Israel but not support a cruel and unproductive occupation of the Palestinian territories. This is essentially what Jay has been talking about all along. It is ironic in that a generation or two ago it was possible in the 50th ward to see Jews of all political and religious orientations, including those who were outright pro-Soviet, openly expressing themselves in relative freedom. My late great-great aunt and uncle were long time CP-USA supporters and no one dumped on them the kind of vitrolic abuse we see coming from one poster here. Perhaps it is time to go back to the future in the 50th Ward where we were a much more tolerant community.

 
At June 15, 2007 1:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well if that doesn't explain part of it :The Finkelstein defender who talks about Freedom of Speech and calls others "STALINIST" comes from a family of American Communist traitors who were loyal to the Soviet Union and who raised the Finkelstein defender to be the same; apparently ,despite the Finkelstein sychophant's claiming to be a religious Jew,he was also raised to be against "his own"!The poster is genetically inclined to misuse America's freedoms against itself and our allies-SHAME!

 
At June 15, 2007 1:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question to the "sensitive" Finkelstein Defender? WHY,did you even start this Finkelstein topic on this site? the TRUE answer ,please!

 
At June 15, 2007 1:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see you are unable to defend your own views. You can only attack those of others. You must have a very weak argument, or be afraid to expose what you think. That's pathetic.

 
At June 15, 2007 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't grow up with my pro-Soviet relatives, I simply used them as an example of the diversity of opinions that once freely permeated the 50th Ward. Instead, we have the Alderpawn being disrespectful as ever and failing to simply listen to his neighbors, something he has been told to do ad nauseum.

You know the Finkelstein Affair is just another sick manifestation of the rampant Stalinism we have in our community today and it is personified by one Stone partisan who has the emotional intelligence and education of a 2nd grader.

I hope once we have a new Alderman, which will happen eventually, that this sickness the Alderpawn exemplifies will be a thing of the past in our ward. Let the sun shine on the 50th Ward and let it be soon!

 
At June 15, 2007 3:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now who is calling whom names? The Finkelstein defender has such a total "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE" that he/she is now throwing TEMPER TANTRUMS, because the error of his/her ways is still being shown. This happens to be a textbook example of the LIBERAL mindset-if one doesn't buy into their "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE" -influenced views,than all their rancor is to be visited on said dissenter,including the Fascist propaganda tactic of THE BIG LIE. The truth is, that the Left-Wing tolerates no dissent and are in fact FASCISTS!

 
At June 15, 2007 4:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know, "the Left" in this thread has been forthcoming and considerate, while you come across as angry and petulant. I agree with the sentiment that you have yet to make an argument. You've certainly done nothing to challenge the view that Stone and his henchmen are real jerks. Your behavior supports that POV.

 
At June 15, 2007 5:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amd now, PRESENTING the other side ,which of course is FREEDOM OF SPEECH,makes you a "JERK" and a " HENCHMEN " ,but our sensitive LEFT-WING Finkelstein defender doesn't hurl insults or employ NAME-CALLING-The truth is that you are seeing TEXTBOOK LEFT-WING FASCIST propaganda tactics at work ,by the Finkelstein supporter(s).

 
At June 15, 2007 6:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Presenting the other side doesn't make you a jerk. Acting like a jerk makes you a jerk. Just telling THE TRUTH. Still waiting for "your side" of the argument. We see your hate, but there's no explanation why you hate so much.

 
At June 16, 2007 12:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok,if you need a road map here it is--Israel has a R-I-G-H-T TO E-X-I-S-T!! Israel does what It must to defend her NATIONAL EXISTENCE and the LIVES and SECURITY of her population. The Palestinian Arabs ,WHO CAN'T LIVE WITH THEMSELVES (see,their CURRENT Civil WAR),or even other Other Arabs(LEBANON- 1948-1970-Today;Jordan 1948-1970),etc. are only victims of their own refusal to live and let live. Finkelstein is a Left-Wing Radical(ala,Noam Chomsky)who hates not only his own Jewish blood ,but also the United States, and is part and parcel of the ANTI-AMERICAN Left-Wing Academic CABAL ,which uses our Constitution and our institutions of higher learning ,to promote their DISINFORMATION to tommorrow's generation of Leaders. The ABUSE of TENURE is how they remain in place as Enemy Agents-Y-E-S Enemy Agents!,in many cases occupying CHAIRS Funded by Radical ANTI-AMERICAN Forces , from ABROAD! Also,ONCE AGAIN-THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 50th Ward and NOTHING To DO WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH,except for the LEFT-WING attempt to stifle DISSENT!!!

 
At June 16, 2007 3:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

our sensitive LEFT-WING Finkelstein defender doesn't hurl insults or employ NAME-CALLING-The truth is that you are seeing TEXTBOOK LEFT-WING FASCIST propaganda tactics at work ,by the Finkelstein supporter(s).

Yeah, like he said!

the Finkelstein supporters WANT to call names - but they DON'T - it is a textbook TACTIC - they want to APPEAR all SENSITIVE and CARING - but we all know better - they are HATERS

always calling each other NEIGHBORS all the time

it makes me SICK!

 
At June 17, 2007 8:05 AM, Blogger Jay said...

Talk about your Strawman Arguments! No wonder no one understood what you were talking about. You're making up a fictional position for those who oppose you and then having a conversation with yourself. I guess I should have noticed that before.

NO ONE QUESTIONS ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST. Not me, not anyone who posts here, not Norm Finkelstein (who says, "Of course Israel has a right to exist."), not anyone. But at least now we understand that you are having an argument with your mythical self and projecting it upon other people here.

So I have to ask, please keep all these strawman arguments to yourself. Your rants are confusing enough without the introduction of made up arguments that no one is making. But at least now we know to completely dismiss what you've said because they were in response to the voices in your head, not what was said here.

 
At June 17, 2007 9:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew you would find a way to twist this.-Posting a refutation of WRONG is not ranting, but you want to continue to justify what you do-why not be honest and just say it: its your blog and you can do what you want ,even if its wrong!

 
At June 17, 2007 9:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree that there is no 50th Ward connection. Bernie Stone is exactly the kind of politician I think of when you talk about a Jewish persecution complex. Seems like every campaign I can think of since 1991, Stone has used some dirty trick designed to offend the Jewish electorate and get them to vote for him. It's not that big a stretch to talk about Norman Finkelstein and Bernie Stone.

 
At June 17, 2007 10:21 AM, Blogger Jay said...

I don't recall ever talking about a "Jewish persecution complex." While I would agree that Ald. Stone likes to play the victim card, I think this has more to do with his self-esteem (or lack thereof) than his Jewishness. If he wasn't Jewish, he'd use something else to play the victim and elicit public sympathy.

 
At June 17, 2007 11:26 AM, Blogger Jay said...

Twist? I don't need to twist your argument to completely discredit it. I need only to post a direct quote from Finkelstein. Your contention that he (and the people in the 50th) question Israel's right to exist is akin to saying that Patrick Fitzgerald is about to indict Ald. Stone.

The difference between those two assertions is that it is easy to show that you are wrong. Finkelstein is on record as supporting Israel's right to exist. You have refuted nothing. You've done nothing but try to confuse people with a false accusation that you made up because you can't support your argument.

The problem with basing your argument on a strawman is that it is illogical. A false assertion cannot lead to a true conclusion. You discredited yourself with your comment. It remains for others to judge if this leaves you without credibility with the rest of your comments.

 
At June 17, 2007 12:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay, I think you ought to censor CAPSMAN. He seems to be advocating genocide.

 
At June 17, 2007 3:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah! Like he said!

That damned Constitution! We need to get RID of that thing

the ANTI-AMERICAN Left-Wing CABAL is USING the Constitution to persecute Jews!

 
At June 17, 2007 9:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Using the constitution to get rid of the Jews? Where does this disturbed person get these ideas?

 
At June 17, 2007 10:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the Finkelstein supporter gets sicker and sicker. The TRUTH really does hurt our poor "sensitive"pro-Finkelstein paragon of WRONG!,but not enough for him to keep coming back with more vitriol ,lies and WRONG!!!

 
At June 18, 2007 9:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patrick Fitzgerald is about to indict Ald. Stone?

 
At June 18, 2007 10:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the Stone-Haters/Finkelstein defender(s)keep coming up with new nonsense and dillusions. It is not Freedom of Speech-its INSANITY!The demented Finkelstein supporter has been on the Wrong side of both the Middle East and 50th Ward Issues for a long time. Oh,one more thing,his misuse of a Hebrew phrase is his "signature".

 
At June 18, 2007 11:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

your signatures include name-calling, capital letters, disrespect for others, charges of racism, lack of coherent position, inability to defend a point of view, immaturity, spelling errors, bad punctuation, unparsable sentences structures, and a fanatical devotion to Bernard L. Stone.

 
At June 18, 2007 11:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you lie about finkelstein and the people who disagree with you, and then claim to be on the side of right. what a hypocrite. stone makes a liar out of you, but you want it to be our fault. you are morally bankrupt. it is wrong to lie about people, you are wrong.

 
At June 18, 2007 2:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the Finkelstein defender calls lies are t-r-u-t-h.This thread has nothing to do with Stone or the 50th Ward. The more the Misguided LEFT-WINGER heaps ABUSE,the more he claims to be the recipient of abuse. What about 6/16-12:14 didn't he understand.he wants FACTS-He was given FACTS.

 
At June 18, 2007 2:52 PM, Blogger Jay said...

CAPSMAN, your argument has been discredited. You falsely accused us and Finkelstein as opponents of Israel's right to exist. That is patently false and demonstrably untrue in the case of Norm Finkelstein. While I can't say that you intended to lie or even deceive, you appear to be making stuff up. It has nothing to do with the truth. But this is getting repetitive. If you can't state your argument without resorting to falsehoods, perhaps you shouldn't try. I won't allow you to continue these falsehoods (that anyone discussed in this thread or posted to it opposes Israel's right to exist) or to depict them as truth. I won't allow you to continue to slander other readers. Let's have a little integrity here.

 
At June 18, 2007 3:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay,You have no intention of being fair on this or any issue.Censor my posts, and show whoever reads your blog how ANTI-FREE SPEECH you are.You will prove my POINT about the Fascist "Big Lie"tactics used by the RADICAL LEFT.Your friend, the Finkelstein Defender and you refuse to acknowledge facts ,obviously.The hate and name calling started with the first post on this subject ,on the other thread(re:gauleiter),by the Finkelstein defender who,along with yourself,continue this disgrace.

 
At June 18, 2007 3:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah! Like he said!

Finkelstein

Chomsky

Don't those JEW-HATING JEWS just make you SICK?

Race traitors!

 
At June 18, 2007 6:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Official Noam Chomsky Website

 
At June 18, 2007 7:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only Race Traitors are the Capsman and his allies who feel prevailed upon to insult their neighbors with such awful comments. Let's simply make it our business to censor any posts that violate civility.

 
At June 18, 2007 10:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there civility from the Finkelstein defender(s)? It is remarkable how UNCIVILIZED they truly are.Keep calling for Jay to censor-that makes the point even better than I can ,how the Left uses Fascist tactics to get its propaganda out.

 
At June 18, 2007 10:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an interesting thought-the Finkelstein ultra--"sensitive" defender says he is respected in the community. That could only be possible if his pernicious views were only done in the anonimoty of the internet;you can be sure that he wouldn't get too many cordial greetings if he proselytized his views face-to face.

 
At June 19, 2007 7:14 AM, Blogger Jay said...

Most of my neighbors are very careful about their views in public, especially about Ald. Stone. It seems sometimes almost no one likes him, although some are afraid of him. I suspect he wants it that way.

 
At June 19, 2007 9:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This thread has nothing to do with Stone or the 50th Ward?

your total lack of respect for your neighbors who might sympathize with Finkelstein or the plight of the Palestinians reminds me of your complete lack of respect for your neighbors who didn't vote for Stone

the way you call people names who disagree with you reminds me of the way you call people names who do not support Stone

the way you accuse people of racism when they disagree with you reminds me of the way you accuse people of racism if they don't support Stone

the way you interject race into the issue of peace in the Mideast reminds of the way Stone uses race in his political campaigns (the opposition are racist)

 
At June 19, 2007 9:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noam Chomsky books online & ordering information

 
At June 19, 2007 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT is the Finkelstein supporter talking about? Injecting race? He is a Left-Wing Fascist propagandist! ,and that is not race injection nor is it name calling-IT IS FACT.Once again ,Stone is dragged in to something that has nothing to do with him. Oh,as for the "plight" of the Palestinians-they created their own "plight",just look at the wonderful job they have done in Gaza ,in recent days alone ,for themselves.The Palestinians are the most savage people on Earth and their "plight" is caused by their 60yrs of refusing to go along with the LEGITIMATE RE-BIRTH of ISRAEL.Also,the Finkelstein defender,who was a proponent of Israeli evacuation of Gaza,closes his eyes to realities which prove his wrong-headed positions have no purpose other than something to use to keep trying to put round pegs in square holes.Why do I keep responding to this nonsense? simple-if there is even ONE neutral reader out there,I'm going to do my best to see that Wrong is EXPOSED! If I'm censored,my point IS PROVEN!!

 
At June 19, 2007 1:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Palestinian Arabs are only victims of their own refusal to live and let live. History shows us the FACT is there WERE NO PALESTINIAN ARABS! Oh, sure, they MOVED IN after the Jews build ROADS, UTILITIES, and SHOPPING MALLS! Palestinian Arabs OUT OF ISRAEL!

 
At June 19, 2007 11:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So,censorship is now in effect on this thread. Well, the POOR SENSITIVE Finkelstein defender will sleep better ,knowing you're shielding him from the truth.In the real world what he and others like him think doesn't really matter!Your CENSORSHIP is not his or your victory,but your DEFEAT. IT SHOWS HOW MUCH FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS HATED BY YOU!!

 
At June 20, 2007 7:47 AM, Blogger Jay said...

Another false accusation! Your impatience -- we have family visiting -- leads you to make more false charges against your neighbors.

I really feel sorry for you. All you can do is complain, but I see very little chance of you converting anyone with your lies and ideology.

I don't know if you are really advocating genocide, but it sure seems you are advocating ethnic cleansing. If so, that's evil. If Israel can't live in peace with her neighbors, then we are in real trouble. Your solution (if I understand you correcting) is immoral. I am saddened that any Jew would be reduced to doing evil in order to live in the Promised Land. It's not right, and it won't be accepted. Shame on you.

 
At June 20, 2007 8:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay,stop FALSELY accusing me or any Jew of advocating genocide. You are really not only grasping at straws,you're IMAGINING the straws you're grasping for.The only one's calling for genocide in the Middle East are the Palestinians and their allies ,including first and foremost,Iran. Tell us Jay,are you an Anti-Israel Jew who supports Iran and the misguided tiny minority who attended Iran's Anti-Israel/Anti-Jewish circus,recently?

 
At June 20, 2007 8:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 1:19-6/19 is a disinformation post,meant to set up the FALSE charge of Genocide.Jay,for a "supposedly religious" Jew,Why do you do this ? The Palestinians,Iranians and Finkelstein couldn't be more wrong and you know it.

 
At June 20, 2007 8:46 AM, Blogger Jay said...

I guess I should not have expected you to be honest about what I said. I didn't accuse you of advocating genocide, I accused you of advocating ethnic cleansing when you said "Palestinian Arabs OUT OF ISRAEL!"

Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It is immoral when it happens to Jews and it is immoral when Jews advocate it. You are locked in your own paradox, because Palestinians do live in Israel, many are citizens. I don't see them leaving any time soon unless someone as evil as you (seem to be) rules Israel and does as you suggest. That's sick.

I like to think of Jewry on the side of right. It always disturbs me when I find a Jew would advocates such evil. It is no surprise, then, that you are such an ardent supporter of Ald. Stone, who seems to play fast and loose with the truth and with right and wrong.

 
At June 20, 2007 11:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as I'm concerned, ethnic cleansing is genocide, and I agree that CAPSMAN is suggesting that. It's disgusting. From a Jew no less. Just disgusting.

 
At June 20, 2007 5:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is disgusting is that you have built a False charge of advocating Genocide/ethnic cleansing on a fraudulant post disguised as someone else.

 
At June 20, 2007 8:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you trying to say that you didn't write "Palestinian Arabs OUT OF ISRAEL!" on June 19, 2007 1:19 PM?

 
At June 20, 2007 8:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am saying that I DID NOT make that post-WHAT I DO WANT is for the Palestinians to STOP trying to DESTROY ISRAEL!

 
At June 21, 2007 9:51 AM, Anonymous thrumyeyesinc said...

look, from now on ALL of my posts will be under THIS name, OK?

ANY OTHER POSTS with CAPITAL LETERS, bad punctuation, spelling errors, insults, and racism are SOMEONE ELSE, a left-wing Fascist America-hater pretending to be me to persecute Israel, and Alderman Stone!

 
At June 21, 2007 1:34 PM, Blogger thrumyeyesinc said...

ok ,thats fair,providing that sn is not hijacked!

 

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