Open Thread: Why Won't Stone Debate?
One commenter asks, "why won't Alderman Stone participate in a real debate?" This is your chance to answer the question. Why do you think Berny Stone is afraid to debate an opponent, despite his promise to do so?
Labels: 50th Ward, Alderman, Bernard Stone, Berny Stone, Debate, Election, Naisy Dolar
posted by Jay @ 6:46 AM
42 comments
42 Comments:
How is the April 12 forum not a real debate? Why is the 3/21 forum a real debate.
Answer: He's having an easier time calling the media for another round of the "look at me, I'm the victim of another hate crime". It doesn't require much to have the media show up or call, ask him some questions and then leave. No one questions his agenda so instead of defending himself, he thinks people (the dumb ones) perceive him as "victim", and offer sympathy votes. This seems to be his favorite roll.
What agenda do you have willow9?
Anonymous: I don't see either forum as qualifying as a "real debate." If the Wednesday forum isn't impartial, then the April 12 forum can't be considered impartial, either.
But the Stone proposal doesn't even rise to the perception of debate. It is a joint press conference, where the audience doubles as the press. It isn't well thought out, as Greg Brewer points out.
The question is, what is Ald. Stone afraid of? His supporters claim that he's doing a wonderful job, works long hours, and is a powerful and influential member of the Daley team. If any of this is true, you would think Stone would take every opportunity to demonstrate this to the community. Instead, he hides in his tower. If you ask him a difficult question, you are likely to be belittled and attacked. This is not the behavior of a competent or confident person. It is the behavior of a weak coward. And it makes you wonder why the reality is so different than the image that Stone's sycophants try to project.
Stone would not fare well in any debate, no matter what the format. But I'm not sure it's accurate to say he's afraid. Only the challenger has anything to gain from a debate, so why should Stone participate? Arguments for participatory, open, accountable government don't count. I mean, strategically, why should he participate? He has nothing to gain by getting in and nothing to lose by staying out. Joe Moore debated his challengers, but Joe Moore has a progressive image and would have suffered by not participating. Stone has no such image to protect and he has no desire to put himself in any situation he can't control. Stone is no consensus builder. He doesn't win people over by persuading them. He co-opts and maniputates them--a carrot in one hand, a stick in the other.
How is the April 12 forum not a real debate? Because it will never happen. It's just a delaying tactic, a diversion. It's like introducing an alternate living wage ordinance that no one will ever consider. It's like introducing a zoning change requested by a neighborhood group, but losing it in committee forever. It's like negotiating a TIF oversight board without ever putting anything in writing. Should I go on?
Stone will not debate.
Willow9
The only one who needs sympathy here is you. You are a person of shame and truly needs help. I hope after the election you seek help, not that you shouldnt have sought help already. This blog will too end as the election and you will need to vent , maybe in a 8x8 enclosed room if you dont get help!!.
> The question is, what is Ald. Stone afraid of?
Yeah, what is he afraid of?
A legislator of 4 decades experience, his oratorical skills honed by debating the critical issues of our time EVERY DAY for LONG HOURS, taking on the best & the brightest of Chicago, Our City Council ...
... versus some wet-behind-the-ears chick from the 'hood.
You'd think Stone could do it half awake.
BAWK bawk bawk bawk BAWK!
for willow and everyone else's information -Stone didn't call the media-the media monitors POLICE -and the Media came the next day(YESTERDAY), ON THEIR OWN, after most of the OUTRAGE was painted over -CLEARLY,IT WAS,AND IS STONE'S DESIRE TO NOT INFLAME THE SITUATION.
Just this weekend, a ONE board member offered his observations of Stone at a meeting. According to this individual, Stone has attention deficit issues and problems recalling points. He actually needed help in completing sentences and complete thoughts. This individual summed it up that Stone is too fragile and needs a lot of assistance to handle the job of an alderman. It would be just as well if he stepped down and let others who are more capable to be accountable to the 50th Ward residents and to manage all the responsibilities of this position.
>-CLEARLY,IT WAS,AND IS STONE'S DESIRE TO NOT INFLAME THE SITUATION.
March 20, 2007 11:43 AM
You mean after he hid the bellows, he had a staffer call the media.
Remember what happened to the boy who cried "wolf" (or do you), research it.
WENDY-STONE DID NOT CALL THE MEDIA-YOUR OBSESSIVE HATRED OF HIS FAMILY DRIVES YOU TO POST LIES REPEATEDLY-ALDERMAN STONE IS A UNIFIER,NOT A DIVIDER ,UNLIKE YOUR FRIEND'S RACE-BASED CAMPAIGN WHICH IS YOUR PERSONAL TOOL TO WAGE WAR ON STONE'S FAMILY!!
To anon. posted at 11:43:
Stone is the King of Inflammatory. His lies (as well as those of Avey Myers) recorded for posterity on the hideous Northtown News are proof enough.
It's easy for him to hide behind a video camera and chuckle along with Sonny and Avey, but a live audience of informed, intelligent ward residents asking non-rehearsed questions is too much to bear. What a surprise.
Are you reseaching from you box Willow9??
Willow9
If Stone wanted the media to know im sure he or his staff would have called before the entire hall and waiting room was repainted. Do you have any BRAINS. I dont think so !!
I truly believe Willow9 and Jay are a perfect match. You should hook up. Willow9 just go to jays site his # is listed. Enjoy each other.
Whats the latest scoop on Uncle Amrish(Mahajan)? Anybody know when his wife is going to court for stealing that 2.1 mil.? I know she wont get a fair shake cause Stone said no one does. You just look at that eagle and....
anon, you and Stone deserve each other. Stone is a big chicken and so are you. Stone won't debate and you hide behind anon.
> after most of the OUTRAGE was painted over
most but not all?
it was still readable for the press?
look, if you really want to cover something, I'd like to recommend a product:
KILZ
great stuff, hides a lot of sins with one coat, available at all local hardware stores and paint stores
of course if you WANT something to show trough, you can do that, too
One coat my a_s. I have used KILZ before, great product, and yes it does cover up after a few coats.Wont work on black with one coat.
Not a good sign:
Bernard L Stone Campaign Committee
3/21/2007 A-1
Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce PAC
200 E. Randolph Street Ste. 2200
Chicago, IL 60601
$10,000.00
Bernard L Stone Campaign Committee
Is WRPCO still going ahead with its faux forum? I saw a flyer in my neighborhood that listed both candidates. Under Stone's name it said "invited to appear". Shouldn't it also say "declined two weeks ago"? Unfortunately, this single-candidate "forum" only justifies Stone's reasons for not participating. Clearly, the group has its own agenda which is not compatible with hosting an impartial forum.
By one hand clapping's "logic" no public forums could ever be held, since Ald. Stone will turn them all down. At least the public still gets a chance to question their NEXT Alderman this way.
I realize the idea of being answerable to the public confuses Alderman Stone and his supporters no end....
I thought Stone has nothing to be afraid of. Apparently when you want to shine a light on Stone he runs and hides. Why doesn't he come to the forum and convince me why I should keep him in office for 4 more years (or 2 years and 1 day) .
hahaha I agree with willow9.
Now in a Runoff we see Stone claim that he's the victim of an even LARGER anti semitic act.
For shame Stone! WHo did it ? You or your daughter?
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To Willow9
Who thinks grammar and spelling is so important. This is a fact!!!
This is weird, but interesting!
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Jim said, "By one hand clapping's 'logic' no public forums could ever be held"
Unfortunately, Jim, that's correct. If an impartial group wants to host a forum but the candidates won't come, then there's no event. If a partisan group wants to host a political event, they can do it with or without candidates. That doesn't mean I don't believe politicians shouldn't be accountable or that candidates shouldn't hold rallies for their supporters. It just means we should understand what kind of event we're talking about.
I wasn't able to attend tonight, but I'm looking forward to the post-forum debate on this blog. Jim and others, please weigh in with your impressions of the event.
I attended the "forum" last night. It wasn't as packed as the 2/7 forum, I think most people want to see a real "debate". Of course Naisy showed up and talked about the issues and answered questions from the audience. My favorite two takeaways from last night were the framed picture of Stone that Naisy brought with her to remind the audience of who we are dealing with. This picture was not the "sleeping Berny" that many are familiar with. The other takeaway was the people who I thought were Stone voters and found out to the contrary.
>Anonymous said...
To Willow9
Who thinks grammar and spelling is so important. This is a fact!!!
Yes, the human mind is truly amazing. Can you imagine how much fun it would be if everyone wrote in the same garbled fashion as in your post? What if this were done on a worldwide basis. The people who translate documents would also have a fun time with it especially if our ancient ancestors had written this way. Do you think we should regress to grunting and yelling rather than using the queens english?
I guess dolar was too busy at a debate that wasnt happening when police and alderman were at a shooting that happened on Devon. We can see where dolars priority is.
"I guess dolar was too ... when police and alderman were at a shooting that happened on Devon."
What an amazingly stupid statement. "You say you care about crime, so why weren't you there when that guy pulled a gun?" I'm sure the police haven't yet started calling Naisy everytime there's an incident in the ward. She has to hear about it on the news like the rest of us.
For those of you who don't know what this is about, here's the story: Police fatally shoot man on Far North Side
Why would the alderman be at the crime scene? Was he with the shooter?
To Willow9
This was a example of how you put people down in general your a hater.I believe we are all human, and humans make mistakes. As I have said in a previous post you should not criticize people for not having the education that you MAY have?? Not pursuing their education, or for making mistakes in general. That’s part of life. I don’t see that same garbled fashion in any post this was just a sample of really poor writing to say the least.
To get first hand report. Be up on what is happening in the ward. DAAAAA. What a comment from the Dumb blond willow9. It figures
Anonymous said...
>To Willow9
This was a example of how you put people down in general your a hater.
Who was put down? Yes, I DO think grammer and spelling are important. What was the point of your post ...?
Do you think we should regress to grunting and yelling rather than using the queens english?
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!
WILLOW9
Yesssssssssssssss
regress to grunting and yelling rather than using the queens english
WTF is the queen to tell us how to write or whether its proper??
I hope you got your F K in answer.
=grammar= my bad!
>Anonymous said...
To get first hand report. Be up on what is happening in the ward. DAAAAA. What a comment from the Dumb blond willow9. It figures
March 22, 2007 12:06 PM
Does the first hand differ from the second hand report?
Yessss, TY for the answer.....
the most amazing thing about the ANTI-STONE crowd is how totally SELF-RIGHTOUS,ELITIST,and FULL OF S---AND THEMSELVES THEY ARE!The biggest shock in this endless campaign is to find outhow many CRETINS live here and how nothing is beneath them in their QUEST FOR POWER!BLAMING THE TARGETS OF ANTI-SEMITISM FOR THE ANTI-SEMITISM IS RIGHT OUT OF THE NAZI MANUAL -IT SEEMS THAT CERTAIN AREAS ARE INFESTED WITH THESE FAKE"nice neighbors"--They want an ALDERMAN who will be THEIR PUPPET!!!
LOL sounds like Willow9
>BLAMING THE TARGETS OF ANTI-SEMITISM FOR THE ANTI-SEMITISM IS RIGHT OUT OF THE NAZI MANUAL -IT SEEMS THAT CERTAIN AREAS ARE INFESTED WITH THESE FAKE"nice neighbors"--They want an ALDERMAN who will be THEIR PUPPET!!!
March 22, 2007 4:15 PM
Where would one find the Nazi manual, a bookstore or your bookcase? We the people want an alderman who serves the people- not Daleys puppet.
Willow9 You should know where to find it. I hear your just as nuts as your neighbor who no one talks to.
Why Won't Stone Debate
When Stone thinks about debating Dolar, it brings back hazy memories of 1956, when Esther Saperstein kicked his ass!
And he can't help thinking back to 1988, when Carol Moseley Braun opened a can of whoop-ass on him!
Stone looks at Naisy, he thinks,
OH NO! NOT AGAIN!
BAWK bawk bawk bawk BAAAWK!
Same old people do you answer each other??
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