Tuesday, March 27, 2007

Stone's Fake Debate Proposal

The joke around city hall is that if you want to see Ald. Stone "come alive," try to get between him and a microphone. Or, perhaps, the joke around city hall IS Ald. Stone. Who knows? It seems likely that we are not the only ones embarrassed by the alderman's antics.

The joke around the 50th is that Berny Stone offered to debate Naisy Dolar. This "proposal" (or joke) came right before the debate lined up by the WRPCO:
Michael C. Moses wrote:

On behalf of the Stone campaign I contacted the Dolar campaign and extended an invitation for a debate between Alderman Stone and Naisy Dolar on April 12, 2007 from 7:00-8:00 p.m.

If you didn't see it, there is no location for this fake debate proposal. A reasonable person might even consider it a trap. If they believed it to be real.

But I was thinking about this. Ald. Stone's proposals take up to a decade to implement. He talks about them, and talks about them some more, as if there is real movement towards his goals. He does this for years. He just doesn't have the power or influence to accomplish anything in a reasonable amount of time.

Why would this be any different?

I have no problem believing that Stone wants to debate Dolar. In a decade. Or so.

Word is that WTTW's Chicago Tonight (PBS, Channel 11) has asked the two to appear. They seem to be doing this for all the campaigns. The Dolar campaign appears to claim that the offer comes whether Ald. Stone appears or not. If Stone doesn't show up, Dolar gets all the air time that would have been devoted to the two of them.

Which brings us back to the joke from city hall. This isn't CAN-TV (where anyone can get on TV, even Berny Stone or Avy Meyers!). Stone's fears of appearing alongside an opponent may be trumped by his need to appear on televsion. Maybe.

No doubt Stone will argue that WTTW is biased. Chicago Tonight has seen many favorable comments about Dolar (eg, here and here). If Stone and his cronies aren't viewers of Chicago Tonight, it's unlikely he'll show. But that would reinforce Stone's reputation as the joke of Chicago. What a dilemma!

I think the odds are 60/40 that Stone won't show. Even if he appears, he might fall asleep! But the pressure would be immense. One weird comment, and it will be repeated over and over on YouTube and the Internet. And who thinks Stone can talk for 15 minutes without saying something bizarre?

Advantage: Dolar.

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21 Comments:

At March 27, 2007 8:23 AM, Blogger Richard Concaildi said...

Jay,

Here is a post I recently left on the wrogerspk yahoo web site. I think it's applicable because it ties back to a recent "heart felt" mailing made by the incumbant that was obviously crafted by some one that has some writing skills.

My opion should be self-explanatory.
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This feeble letter probably went our to most 50th ward residents and is an insult to the constituents of this ward.

Does it seem rather odd to anyone else that all of a sudden the incumbent of 30+ years finally has a vision that he will unveil over the next 4 weeks?

If there is one thing we know is that history repeats itself. I for one would expect to see more lies and disingenuous campaign promises. If the incumbent wanted a “vigorous debate”, he had the chance and he declined. Twice!

He was afraid to step into the ring with 3 opponents because they might "beat the s_ _ t" out of him.

He was afraid to even go one-on-one with Dolar when the odds were even. He's afraid. His troops are afraid.

In order to even the odds, his debate format will result with a room filled with planted supporters that are both well scripted and probably well compensated to be his “professional audience”. You can get past the thugs at the front door with the secret password of "Berny sent me". Expect nothing less.

I look forward to more of his flyers. I hope they are printed on newspaper stock however. I promised a neighbor who is paper training a puppy that could I would provide some supplies.
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Finally, I would hope both candidates would welcome a WTTW platform for the debate. It might be able to level the playing field and allow the best man (or in this case woman) to win.

Anything short of them meeting on nuetral territory is not going to solve a thing. This ward is tired of smoke and mirrors. That's the reason there is a run off in the first place.

 
At March 27, 2007 8:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay said, "it's unlikely he'll show. But that would reinforce Stone's reputation as the joke of Chicago."

Stone will not appear with Naisy and his reputation won't be hurt by his absence. Unlike WRPCO, WTTW will not launch a campaign to humiliate Stone. They won't allow Naisy to bring a photo of Stone to take his place. They'll simply say that the alderman declined to appear. Naisy will get some good press and Stone will report another $50,000 in contributions.

 
At March 27, 2007 9:38 AM, Blogger Hugh said...

Stone: Offer STILL STANDS:
1-on-1 debate anytime, anyplace, anywhere


"I've offered to meet each and every one of them singly. I was ready to meet them individually. They're afraid to meet me individually. I STILL offer to meet them anytime, anyplace, anywhere. But they're not willing to meet me on an individual basis. They're afraid to meet me on an individual basis."

-Bernard L: Stone,
79-year-old aldermanic candidate
Alderman Berny Stone Show
2/15/07
(fast forward to near 6 minutes remaining)

 
At March 27, 2007 9:44 AM, Blogger Hugh said...

> WTTW's Chicago Tonight (PBS, Channel 11) has asked the two to appear...

> the offer comes whether Ald. Stone appears or not.

this is the program's policy

 
At March 27, 2007 11:01 AM, Blogger Hugh said...

> They won't allow Naisy to bring a photo of Stone to take his place

Where WAS Berny last Wed night?

I heard he ate a TV dinner in front of "Wheel of Fortune" in his underwear and was in bed by 7:30.

 
At March 27, 2007 11:55 AM, Anonymous Jim in Chicago said...

Any date on that Chicago Tonight appearance? If you think there's a 40% chance Mr. "Anytime, any place, anywhere" will show, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

 
At March 27, 2007 12:41 PM, Blogger willow9 said...

Hey, where's the separation of church and state?? Mart Mariam church, 2849 w. Chase

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At March 27, 2007 1:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the church pics. The caption should read,"Nebuchadnezzar supports Stone". How ironic!

 
At March 27, 2007 1:35 PM, Anonymous Taxman said...

"Hey, where's the separation of church and state?"

You should complain to the church and/or the IRS. The church is violating its tax-exempt status by supporting a political candidate.

 
At March 27, 2007 2:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To willow9
As far as I know its private property. The Church or property owner may post what they prefer. I see Daisy’s signs on the parkway’s which do not belong to the resident living at the address where the sign is posted. Does that mean the resident does Not want a lawn sign so lets put one on the parkway?? Shall we take pictures of illegal signs? Get a life. Signs don’t vote anyway.

 
At March 27, 2007 3:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Church is going to lose its tax exempt status if it continues to support a politcal candidate. The IRS is always looking to make an example of religious groups that don't follow the IRS code.

 
At March 27, 2007 3:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

willow9 said...
Hey, where's the separation of church and state?? Mart Mariam church, 2849 w. Chase

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March 27, 2007 12:41 PM

Praise the lord..

 
At March 27, 2007 3:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Crusaders for Stone" Nyuknyuknyuk.

 
At March 27, 2007 4:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Crusaders for Stone" Nyuknyuknyuk.

March 27, 2007 3:36 PM

Sorry the three stoogers work for the other canidate, not stone

 
At March 27, 2007 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW!! RICHARD CONCAILDI IS ACTUALLY OUT FROM THE SANCTUARY HE AND MORRIS MODERATE(censor)--THIS SELF PROCLAIMED "SUPER-PATRIOT" AND "GREAT NEIGHBOR" REALLY DID POST A LINK TO A WHITE SUPREMICIST/NEO-NAZI WEB SITE ON HIS "SANCUARY SITE" WHICH HE CO-MODERATES WITH MORRIS-THE LINK IS STILL THERE---THE ANTI-STONE CROWD ARE LIONS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING! THE EFFORTS OF THIS ILK WILL BE SOUNDLY DEFEATED - THE ONLY COALITION THEY HAVE IS A COALITION OF HATERS AND HATRED-PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THESE CRETINS---VOTE STONE!!!

 
At March 27, 2007 8:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For that matter the KINS Congregation on California & the Adat Yeshurun Synagogue on Touhy might well be in violation of the 501C Tax Exempt Status for having taking out advertisements in the Hebrew Theological College weekly "Lekutei Peshatim" newsletter "wishing Alderman Bernard Stone success on Feb 27th."

 
At March 27, 2007 9:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HUGH DID BEFORE COMPUTERS?--WHAT WAS HIS COMPULSIVE OBSESSION IN THE "OLD DAYS"? THIS HYPOCRITE PRETENDS TO BE MR. GREAT NEIGHBOR,BUT THOSE WHO LIVE AMONG HIM,ESPECIALLY ON THE 2300 BLOCK ,WOULD PREFER HE SPEND LESS TIME BASHING STONE AND MORE TIME MAINTINING HIS BLIGHTED PROPERTY-LESS KEYBOARD AND AT LEAST SOME PAINTBRUSH, HUGH,STARTING WITH THE WINDOW FRAMES AND "DESERTED BARN LOOK" WINDOW BOX--OK, "GOOD NEIGHBOR"

 
At March 27, 2007 9:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS IS THE DIRTIEST CAMPAIGN IN 50TH WARD HISTORY!!WHY? SIMPLE ANSWER-THE ANTI-STONE CROWD ARE SO OBSESSED WITH TRYING TO BRING STONE DOWN ,THAT ANY AND ALL TACTICS ARE BEING USED,INCLUDING ANTI-SEMITISM,ANTI-SENIOR CITIZENISM,PRO-ASIAN RACISM,DIVISION OF A ONCE UNITED COMMUNITY ,AND THE IMPORT OF RACIST MOTIVATED WORKERS FROM OUTSIDE THE WARD AND RACE MOTIVATED FUNDING FROM OUTSIDE, NOT ONLY THE WARD ,BUT OUTSIDE THE STATE.ON APRIL 17 SAY NO TO RACE BASED CAMPAIGNS AND RESTORE THE UNITY BACK TO THE WARD BY RE-ELECTING OUR ALDERMAN STONE!

 
At March 27, 2007 9:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANON.8:33--FRESH EXAMPLE OF PREJUDICE BY THE ANTI-STONE CROWD-THERE ARE "NOT-FOR PROFIT 501C "ORGANIZATION STAFFERS IN ADDITION TO UNION AND ASIAN ORGANIZATION'S STAFFERS WORKING ON DOLARS CAMPAIGN-MANY FROM THEIR JOBS TO BE SURE- ANY 501C ASSET USED TO BENEFIT DOLAR ,A PHONE CALL,A FAX,A TOO-LONG LUNCH HOUR TO GO DO SOMETHING CAMPAIGN WISE,ETC--INCIDENTALLY,WISHING SUCCESS IS NOT SAYING "VOTE FOR"-DOLAR BACKERS -YOU LIVE IN A GLASS-HOUSE!!!!

 
At March 27, 2007 10:37 PM, Blogger Hugh said...

oh, look, that guy is back who writes in all caps and thinks everyone is a racist

 
At March 28, 2007 7:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hugh said...
oh, look, that guy is back who writes in all caps and thinks everyone is a racist

March 27, 2007 10:37 PM

Hello 311?? and you might want to checkout www.ocfchicago.org about your computer obsessions

 

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